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Reported by Bernhard Stockman/NORDUnet

ORAD Minutes

Minutes from Operations Area Directorate meeting at the Atlanta IETF.

Agenda:


   o Introduction
   o Presentations
   o The issues for ORAD
   o ORAD representatives
   o Current and near future activities


Introduction:

Proposed goal for this session:


   o To get a feeling for what the IETF Operational Area Directorate is,
     and is not, intended to be.

   o To get a consensus on a set of prioritized activities to be
     initiated


Remarks for this meeting:


   o We are all in it together, to make it work we need to cooperate on
     a set of basic things.

   o With the common experience we should be able to identify what we
     can deploy of the existing technology

   o We should also be able to identify and prioritize development needs


Presentations


   o The IETF ORAD and the OPS Area, initial thoughts and views.  (Phill
     Gross).  The goal for an IETF Operations Area Directorate:


      -  To improve the quality of:
          * The Internet
          * The tools

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       * Objectives
       * Procedures
       * Methodologies
       * Interactions between operators and users
       * International cooperation

   -  Advise the developers to create meaningful statistics and
      protocols.

   -  International coordination.  The ORAD as a forum for
      international interconnections.

o Ongoing coordination activities in the R &D networking field.
  (Bernhard Stockman NORDUNET).

  Relevant activities within the IEPG. The IEPG (a technical subgroup
  within CCIRN) has had two meetings so far.  At these meetings, a
  list of prioritized items was defined:


   -  Interncontinental link coordination
   -  Global routing
   -  Global DNS connectivity
   -  Global address registration
   -  NOC/NIC coordination aiming at common methods and practices and
      minimal basic services definitions.


  The IEPG is viewed as an Agenda setting group, i.e., IEPG will
  normally not undertake these items directly within itself but try
  to find relevant bodies for such actions.

  Example of ongoing activities:


   -  IETF OPSTAT WG
   -  RIPE mapping WG


o Commercial service providers' view on coordination.  (Susan
  Estrada, CERFnet).

  It is important to realize that new network providers are entering
  the marketplace often.  The Operational Requirements Area of the
  IETF and, in particular, the ORAD, have a large role to play to
  ensure the integrity of the network as new players enter.
  Additionally, the operations folks have a responsibility to provide
  input and advice to the protocol developers to insure that future
  implementations meet defined operational requirements.

  The ORAD should help set the agenda for the Operational
  Requirements Area.  It should define the most pressing operational

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  problems and seek common solutions and recommendations to solve
  those problems.  The ORAD should also undertake the education of
  new network operators through the publication of guidelines for
  sensible operations of IP networks.

o A Nordic angle on the coordination issues, NETF Operations
  Coordinations WG - A Nordic ``NFIX/NCIX''? - Mats Brunell NORDUNET

  The current (yesterday) situation:

   -  R&D newtork operators only like NORDUnet, UNINETT, FUNET, SUNET
      and SURIS.

   -  NETF (NORDUNET Technical and Engineering Forum) a possible way
      like the IETF for inclusion of all relevant parties.


  The new situation:  Commercial service providers introduced on the
  Nordic scene like DataNET/Finland, SWIPnet/Sweden, TIPSnet/Sweden.

  The today provision have a growth of 100% or more/year.


   -  There exist no long term planning.
   -  There is limited resources.


  The today provision have a growth of 100% or more/year.  This
  creates a need for coordination methods and procedures.

  Two possible approaches, ``Like the situation'' or ``Do something
  about it''.


   1. Like the situation:  The existing situation with a multitude of
      uncoordinated network giving huge problems with regards to
      routing, name services, etc.  This means we have to develop
      routing protocols etc.  that can still work in the messy
      situation.

   2. A coordinated approach with planned routing and name services
      as well as new tools to aid in the collaborative process.  The
      obvious answer is that we need to do both.

      A generally accessible Nordic interconnection point (NFIX/NCIX)
      has been proposed for implementation.  The NFIX/NCIX will be
      available for both R &D and commercial network service
      providers.

      Sensitive to try to coordinate commercial service providers.


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         The European scene:

         PTT's have a different view on have to provide Internet IP
         services than ``we'' do, the are used to the X.25/X.75
         situation, and setting up a multitude of links to everywhere.

         There is a need for knowledge transfer between different
         providers and a requirement for development to achieve
         scalability and operational stability.



The Issues for ORAD

To set off the discussion:


   o Routing, what needs, what protocols, which topology?
   o DNS connectivity to all world wide, how?
   o IP address and name registration issues


ORAD Representatives

The structure of ORAD.

The question was expressed if ORAD should be a small group of people or
if it should be formed from a large bunch of people.

There should be an election of ORAD members, for example 3 persons that
together with the two co-chairs for 1 year is to form a working
Executive with the responsibility for:


   o Follow up on actions
   o Promote membership and active work in between meetings
   o Prepare meetings


Current and Near Future Activities

Below Working Groups exist today within IETF Operations Area:


   o OPSTAT WG
   o Benchmarking WG
   o User Connectivity WG
   o DDN WG
   o Network Joint Management WG
   o Topology and Engineering WG


Possible other operations WGs

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o Routing Coordination
o DNS Coordination
o OSI Operations
o X.400 Operations
o X.500 Operations



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A mailing list for the ORAD will be created by Susan Estrada named:


   o [e-mail]
   o [e-mail].


Attendees

Vikas Aggarwal           [e-mail]
Jordan Becker            [e-mail]
Eric Carroll             [e-mail]
Henry Clark              [e-mail]
James Conklin            [e-mail]
John Curran              [e-mail]
Tom Easterday            [e-mail]
Robert Elz               [e-mail]
Susan Estrada            [e-mail]
Peter Ford               [e-mail]
Vince Fuller             [e-mail]
Shari Galitzer           [e-mail]
Phillip Gross            [e-mail]
Tony Hain                [e-mail]
Martyne Hallgren         [e-mail]
Eugene Hastings          [e-mail]
Ittai Hershman           [e-mail]
Ken Jones                konkord![e-mail]
Christopher Kolb         [e-mail]
Ruth Lang                [e-mail]
Louis Leon               [e-mail]
Daniel Long              [e-mail]
April Marine             [e-mail]
Matt Mathis              [e-mail]
David O'Leary            [e-mail]
Philippe Park            [e-mail]
Marsha Perrott           [e-mail]
Robert Reschly           [e-mail]
Timothy Salo             [e-mail]
Tom Sandoski             [e-mail]
Erik Sherk               [e-mail]
Bernhard Stockman        [e-mail]
Roxanne Streeter         [e-mail]
Subu Subramanian         [e-mail]
Claudio Topolcic         [e-mail]
Ross Veach               [e-mail]
Rudiger Volk             [e-mail]
Chris Waters-Pierandozzi [e-mail]
Wengyik Yeong            [e-mail]
Osmund de Souza          [e-mail]



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